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Jaykinia    1

Dear comrades, in today's world, we have to ask ourselves, is it even possible for communist revolutions to take place? Africa would be a suitable location, but with religion involved, it is hard to influence anyoen with communism. And in countries in Asia, countries like Singapore and Malaysia, their youths would ask you," What the heck is communism?'

 

Is communist revolution still a thing?

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Kurdish Gulf    20
4 hours ago, Jaykinia said:

Dear comrades, in today's world, we have to ask ourselves, is it even possible for communist revolutions to take place? Africa would be a suitable location, but with religion involved, it is hard to influence anyoen with communism. And in countries in Asia, countries like Singapore and Malaysia, their youths would ask you," What the heck is communism?'

 

Is communist revolution still a thing?

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A communist revolution, i think it is hardly likely. 

But a revolution started and maintained by all members of the left, socialists, communists, anarchists and the rest could work. I do not think that it will happen in western countries, especially since they are having a influx of Far Right movements, but i do think a left revolution is very viable in southern america, africa and the asia minor/the Levant. In africa though, many countries crack down on political dissident, so it would be hard to organize.

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Caelapes    273

I am not sure if full-on revolution is possible in modern first-world nations, but what is clear is that masses of people organizing and committed to joint struggle can demand change from the bourgeois state. Democratic socialism (that is dedicated to achieving communism as an end, not "Scandinavian socialism") may be the only way to achieve socialism in places like the United States. But I could be wrong.

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8 hours ago, Caelapes said:

I am not sure if full-on revolution is possible in modern first-world nations, but what is clear is that masses of people organizing and committed to joint struggle can demand change from the bourgeois state. Democratic socialism (that is dedicated to achieving communism as an end, not "Scandinavian socialism") may be the only way to achieve socialism in places like the United States. But I could be wrong.

The issue is getting the attention of the general public, of which still have anti-communistic views in many cases due to previous events in history.I think that is why it would be so hard these days, besides the advance in government sizes over time.

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Flomtana    2

Why do you ask whether it is possible or not? If you really want it, then work to make things go necessary way, don't waste time dreaming about this!

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51 minutes ago, Flomtana said:

Why do you ask whether it is possible or not? If you really want it, then work to make things go necessary way, don't waste time dreaming about this!

Because life sucks and isn't fair. If I could go to the government and say "hey, I don't like the way you run it... you mind handing us the means of production?", that wouldn't work. Using violence doesn't work nearly as well as it used to... because the military these days is HUGE. I could only see non-violent protest and reform as viable options unless that were a very large majority of the population that were dissenters.

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Flomtana    2
10 hours ago, Mattopilos said:

Because life sucks and isn't fair. If I could go to the government and say "hey, I don't like the way you run it... you mind handing us the means of production?", that wouldn't work. Using violence doesn't work nearly as well as it used to... because the military these days is HUGE. I could only see non-violent protest and reform as viable options unless that were a very large majority of the population that were dissenters.

Life isn't "fair" and has never been. If you want a result, build the organisation which can involve masses of people and work for their good. You know, we're not a bunch of fascists so we shouldn't build small-numbered party of marginalists to attempt a unsuccessful and unrelated to the people's opinion coup d'etat. We have to persuade people of the world that our way CAN be BETTER for MOST of them - but only if they are ready to work for common future. Revolutions were never done in very single moment: serious preparations should be made. And one more thing: by discussing with common people you can realize what they really need (I mean REALLY) and erase childish fantasies out of your doctrines if they remained in it till present moment.

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Kurdish Gulf    20
1 hour ago, Flomtana said:

Life isn't "fair" and has never been. If you want a result, build the organisation which can involve masses of people and work for their good. You know, we're not a bunch of fascists so we shouldn't build small-numbered party of marginalists to attempt a unsuccessful and unrelated to the people's opinion coup d'etat. We have to persuade people of the world that our way CAN be BETTER for MOST of them - but only if they are ready to work for common future. Revolutions were never done in very single moment: serious preparations should be made. And one more thing: by discussing with common people you can realize what they really need (I mean REALLY) and erase childish fantasies out of your doctrines if they remained in it till present moment.

Well in america, i doubt that it would happen. In a history class i took, the teacher was a diehard capitalist who told the story of how american capitalism toppled the evil soviet union and liberated east germany. The majority of people here are just taught to hate communism so much it would be very surprising to see a mass conversion to the left considering they are institutionally taught to be against it.

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Burninati0n    41
On 9/11/2016 at 10:53 AM, Jaykinia said:

Africa would be a suitable location,

 

On 9/11/2016 at 6:52 PM, Caelapes said:

I am not sure if full-on revolution is possible in modern first-world nations, 

I think you guys have it backwards. 

When the working class is better educated and living under advanced capitalism, that's when there's the possibility to move beyond capitalism.

It's the West where our hopes for a real Communist revolution should rest. 

Just don't hold out for a war and the executions of the bourgeoisie... The revolution will be a long political process throughout which the bourgeois class is increasingly outvoted by an increasingly aware proletariat and is out-argued in debates about the kinds of rights it found so useful itself in overthrowing the Feudal system. 

15 hours ago, Flomtana said:

Why do you ask whether it is possible or not? If you really want it, then work to make things go necessary way, don't waste time dreaming about this!

Is that a serious point? 

Dreaming is important, 

but making practical decisions is, too. 

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4 hours ago, Kurdish Gulf said:

Well in america, i doubt that it would happen. In a history class i took, the teacher was a diehard capitalist who told the story of how american capitalism toppled the evil soviet union and liberated east germany. The majority of people here are just taught to hate communism so much it would be very surprising to see a mass conversion to the left considering they are institutionally taught to be against it.

 

Which was the point I was trying to get across - we need a true representation of communist theory expressed rather than the anti-communist attitude common in Western societies nowadays.

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Kurdish Gulf    20
1 hour ago, Burninati0n said:

 

I think you guys have it backwards. 

When the working class is better educated and living under advanced capitalism, that's when there's the possibility to move beyond capitalism.

It's the West where our hopes for a real Communist revolution should rest. 

Just don't hold out for a war and the executions of the bourgeoisie... The revolution will be a long political process throughout which the bourgeois class is increasingly outvoted by an increasingly aware proletariat and is out-argued in debates about the kinds of rights it found so useful itself in overthrowing the Feudal system. 

Is that a serious point? 

Dreaming is important, 

but making practical decisions is, too. 

I would like for us to have a revolution like iceland did 

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6 minutes ago, Kurdish Gulf said:

I would like for us to have a revolution like iceland did 

What kind of revolution was that?

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Kurdish Gulf    20
Just now, Mattopilos said:

What kind of revolution was that?

A peaceful one where they let the economy collapse and imprisoned all the corrupt bankers/government leaders.

Now they are doing fine.295614_456896847716566_1864612310_n.jpg

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1 minute ago, Kurdish Gulf said:

A peaceful one where they let the economy collapse and imprisoned all the corrupt bankers/government leaders.

Now they are doing fine.295614_456896847716566_1864612310_n.jpg

That sounds like the most ideal revolution possible with only minor 'systematic' violence, which is nothing compared to, you know, physical violence.

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Burninati0n    41
58 minutes ago, Mattopilos said:

That sounds like the most ideal revolution possible

Depends on what you mean by "possible."

They didn't abolish private property, so it's still incomplete. 

It's just a step. 

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53 minutes ago, Burninati0n said:

Depends on what you mean by "possible."

They didn't abolish private property, so it's still incomplete. 

It's just a step. 

But at least it is a step. That is more than any other revolution has done without getting violent: it could easily be extended.

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Azurita    6
On 12/9/2016 at 9:14 AM, Mattopilos said:

The issue is getting the attention of the general public, of which still have anti-communistic views in many cases due to previous events in history.I think that is why it would be so hard these days, besides the advance in government sizes over time.

The way the extreme capitalist persons uses the deads in the comunist regimes are absurd, there have been much more deads caused by capitalist reasons.

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Kurdish Gulf    20
26 minutes ago, Azurita said:

The way the extreme capitalist persons uses the deads in the comunist regimes are absurd, there have been much more deads caused by capitalist reasons.

*left winger: brings up imperialism, slavery and other things caused by capitalist greed*

*right winger: those things are in the past get over it*

*left winger: brings up communism*

*right winger: omg communism is so bad and oppressive like wtf guys capitalism is the best and never did anything wrong*

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On 13/9/2016 at 2:32 AM, Kurdish Gulf said:

I would like for us to have a revolution like iceland did 

That wasn't a revolution xD

I think that a new revolutionary theory has to be developed.

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Kurdish Gulf    20
Just now, Asturies-Llion said:

That wasn't a revolution xD

I think that a new revolutionary theory has to be developed.

Its the closest thing to a revolution that has at least met a majority of its goals in a long time :P

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1 minute ago, Kurdish Gulf said:

Its the closest thing to a revolution that has at least met a majority of its goals in a long time :P

Maybe. But Iceland for example depends a lot on other countries like the USA and the members of the EU

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Azurita    6
1 hour ago, Asturies-Llion said:

Maybe. But Iceland for example depends a lot on other countries like the USA and the members of the EU

It can be because of 2 reasons:

1.The government or the people didn't really wanted to get out of the capitalism.

2.They can't be autonomous for lack of production.

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15 hours ago, Azurita said:

It can be because of 2 reasons:

1.The government or the people didn't really wanted to get out of the capitalism.

2.They can't be autonomous for lack of production.

No, what I meant is that it is not a sustantial change of government.

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In terms of so called '1st world countries' (which of whom have really gone backwards with capitalism) their government's are too stable (with a lack of a better word) to just go up against them, the only way I could see their being any chance of a communist revolution it would be in an economic crash, people are sick of their governments already, a crash would push them into action. For example in the past, the perfect time for the rise in communism in America would have been during the great depression, after the wall street crash when the so called 'American dream' was revealed to be a lie to it's people; the same goes for Britain under Margaret Thatcher when she abolished the mining trade, tensions were high and workers wanted revenge. Those were missed opportunities...

In 3rd world countries (the true victims of other nation's capitalism)  this would be more likely, in the Middle East and Africa, a communist uprising in the 21st century could well be possible, the only obstacles I would say would be the Islamic State, but if they where destroyed, many nations could possible take to communism as these 3rd world countries have some of the biggest divides between the rich and the poor; they would call for equality. 

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